[Sticky] Now renamed the general conversation thread

No need for face to face - you forced the issue and a coup on behalf of everyone else and I'll wind up my CiA activities.

I'll happily fulfil my obligations for the Horn game but that's it, I won't be involved in running the July game or beyond but if invited I'll willingly play as a paying punter.

As for handing the admin over - not yet.

And the irony of all this stupidity?

You have all been able to ban anyone you like from day one. If only you be arsed to look. And no, you can't ban the admin, just in case you try.

That is your decision , and one I'll be sorry to see. I had hoped you would see that you cannot act alone when you are part of a team.

As for banning you , your a daft old fool at times David , I hope your "point of principal" over some idiot as DC is worth the loss.

I'm not taking any sides in this. David, you do a great job of running this forum and all that it entails. I for one don't want you to step down in any way, nor do I want to see anyone else go, I consider you all friends as well as colleagues. Sure, we're all strong personalities and, sometimes, that wil result in a clash or two, that's inevitable. I like to think I have done my share in the short time I've been part of the team and am willing to do more if needed, be it prop storage or anything else I'm capable of, or have space for.

Yes, sorry Pete. You kept CiA going for another year and fantastic it was too.

I'll make an announcement on the moderators section so they are aware of what is going on. *

I'll bring what props I can to Horn so you can distribute them amongst yourselves. I don't think it will be a deal deal, certainly not the two big drop cylinders!

* scrub that - it will be better to make the announcement after Horn so as not to unsettle the punters.

Sorry that you feel that way Dave, it's a shame that it has come to this. I've said my bit and would like for us all to at least have an open and honest chat at Horn.

Eh? Why has Guy forced a coup? And why is there any need to step down??

Because my position is untenable and I'm not interested in childish battles of no consequence or power games. Guy intimated he had spoken to you all today and that you had a consensus and he challenged me - I responded with the only tool I had left - rather than be pushed out I resigned. I'm not kowtowing to such behaviour.

Trust me, its for the best. I did say I wanted less work to do, now it's sorted. I'm not regretful or bitter or throwing an irrational tantrum - I'll leave that to others - but there comes a time for everything and now is the time. If it hadn't of been me it would have been others, so at least CiA is intact.

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Stephen - I'll hand over the banking stuff to you at Horn, silly to post it. I'll square off the Horn account too and pass that back as well if you can give me a day or two after the event.

I'm up to my ass in college work and UCAS crap at the moment, so apologies for my lack of presence on the forums of late.

OK, so here's what I've got to say. Personally David, I would be sad to see you go. This website and forum - design and upkeep - have made one of the largest impacts on the small WW2 Airsoft scene possible, providing a central resource for all to enjoy. And thats on top of your CiA input as an event organiser.

That being said, you distinctly said that you wanted to "step back" for a while - and that has not happened in reality. I do not think this is a concious decision on your part, its just that you've spent a hell of a long time working for yourself and not having to work day-to-day with other people in a team. I know that you've been moaning about me behind my back for not sorting the Stalingrad site yet, and quite frankly, I have other things to worry about first before that can be finalised. In the grand scheme of things WW2 Airsoft comes below college, uni application, work, girlfriend & my relocation to London later this year on my list. If it didn't, i'd be questioning my sanity.

CiA, as an event organiser and a forum entity is a hobby, and that should not be forgotten by any of us.

I know that you've been moaning about me behind my back for not sorting the Stalingrad site yet...

Heh, trust me - not just me, I just had the guts to do it publicly! Still, it's not my concern now, you can sort your own stuff out between you. I'm not holding my breath but I hope CiA manage more than two games this year. Honestly, if organisers don't have the time to organise then well, why are you there - for kudos? Both Guy and I have tried to make fellow organisers think hard about the time and effort they put into organising and it didn't have much effect other than to antagonise others, so that sort of backfired.

Anyhoo, I have stepped back big time - its down to you four to make a go of it.

alle guten Sachen müssen zu einem Ende kommen

Achtungnate .....yes I'll buy your Mp41......er no I'm skint....now continuing of spending spree ......tosser

I guess one of the problems with the CIA 'what we want' (which I think is fair and will ensure the right players get to the right game) is that the community is also called CIA. As the community is beigger than any one organisation it might be a good idea to make it very clear the two are not the same? I agree with Evo that it may put off players that would be welcome to some of the other game? just something worth thinking about.

From a site operators point of view, I think your worry about 'the new to airsoft player being a lesser player with all the airsoft shite they have to learn' is jaded by possibly bad experience! I have always found that the new player has an open mind and putty for you to mold into what your game is, guys that have been airsofting a long time have bad habbits that you end up having to try and break. Also from the CIA - Enactment style of game, you realy need to target the role-play community. I think Ive said this before but your running WW2 role-play! I beleave broadsword (Martin Gill) has said as much (who ive been good mates with for 15 years) and beleave me he knows his larp shit!
You may well find your dream player base right there.

God he's an arse, jumps on the bandwagon to avoid having to work for a living . The community is called CIA cause we started it , from memory the name was my idea FFS . Nobber.

Gotta laugh .....yet another "how do I weather my MP40 thread". Lazy can't be assed to search .

David, this may seem a silly question, and I don't know if it's been discussed in my absence/forgetfulness....

Are you coming to Schaulen as a participant?

Already asked and been told no .

No, I won't be coming to Schaulen, for reasons multifarious, not least of which is that all the joy that CiA was has been well and truly kicked out of me. I'm free to pick and choose now, like the rest of the punters i.e. not travelling more than 20 miles, not having to sleep in a fox hole, not paying for events over £20, not being away from the family for more than eight hours and not having to get my nice uniform collection dirty.

Heh, although I've been invited to PBI and Gunman events I probably won't be taking up those offers either. This year I need to concentrate on the business as the economy is picking up nicely now and I have two years loss of income to catch up on, not to mention a studio that needs some serious maintenance that I have put off through lack of time and money. I've just spent £10k on new studio kit and I'm back on track for a sensible investment regime so it's serious business for the rest of the year - perhaps I'll give myself some time off next year for good behaviour.

I hope the event goes off OK, no reason why it shouldn't.

Understood.

This year I need to concentrate on the business as the economy is picking up nicely now

Eeep. Could have fooled me! Redundancy scheduled for 30th September. :/

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all the joy that CiA was has been well and truly kicked out of me.

I'm sorry you feel like that....genuinely.

Look on it as an opportunity - free yourself from the tyranny of state funded employment, it's not where the future is. Take charge of your own life!

See, that's where we differ greatly Dave. I see great value in public employment and get lots of satisfaction from working in the public sector. I've no real interest in working in the private sector to bolster the takings of share holders and investors.

Ironically, my company is private, funded through public funding streams.

Errmm, you are an investor and shareholder! Why are shareholder's bad? It's their money that is invested in companies - without that companies would have to borrow from banks - and then where would we be? Shareholding (directly or indirectly) is ownership by the people - things and money should be owned by US not THEM (banks or the state). Yeah, banks (boo!) have shareholders too but I was brought up in the mutual culture - there is an alternative!

Meh, actually, I meant take a punt and work for yourself while you have the opportunity.